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Please give the reference for Revelations. I did not read the whole book,but have looked and am missing this. Prayer is a form of worship. Since we are called saints can I pray to you, or do they have to be dead?
It is very true that we must learn from the past, the failures and the success. Those who have come before do influence us at the present time and will continue to in the future.
Overall we have failed to learn from the past and the current state of the American church is a clear indicator of that fact. We will soon be like Europe, the question is how long is that going to take and is there anything we can do to make it slow down. No matter the answer we must be obedient to God.
This is the same thing that I have been discussing with a man in my church who is taking a church history course. We are ignoring history and think we are able to do the same thing and make it different.
I would like to see the reference in Revelations so I can either understand what you are seeing.


Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

We ask living saints to pray for us, could we not ask those with God? Are they not living?

I have not practiced this, but I lend them the freedom to have this interpretation of scripture as "the living" and "intercessory" are interesting propositions. I see neither as worship of a saint.

Is beatification necessary - I would think not, but it is interesting.

Thank you for the reference. I must have misread this verse when I was searching. I can see where this verse could lead one to that thought.
Just for thought, are the four creatures holding the harps and bowls as well? If so are they to be prayed to?
I would not use the argument against this practice that the website argued against. There would be no way to know if they are or are not able to hear our prayers.
I would say that it is a stretch to take these prayers as our prayers. Though I can see where they are coming from just as I can see the differences in Romans 8 I will continue to allow the Holy Spirit to take my prayers. If they are grabbed by the saints and then given to God then that is His plan. I have been working on something dealing with Romans 8:1 and when I get the details worked out I will send it to you. I would also say we need to look at who is revered in scripture. Stick with the word revere as some other forms mean respect and are not as strong as revere.

I do still agree with the overall idea of the blog.

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